Over the past year, we’ve had a number of “run-ins” with lawyers who were clearly unfamiliar with the blawgosphere, how it worked and how best to accomplish their purposes. The latest salvo has just come to conclusion at Patterico’s Pontifications, where Kathy Kelly, the lawyer for Jimmie Duncan, the evidence against whom was the subject of an expose by Radley Balko at Reason, threw a hissy fit.
It seems that Patrick Frey at Patterico, by digging a little deeper into the story, stepped on Kelly’s toes, at least as far as Kelly was concerned:
I have heard from someone, however: the defendant’s lawyer, who is threatening to file a (completely baseless) State Bar complaint against me.The lawyer is Kathy Kelly of the Capital Post Conviction Project of Louisiana. That organization represents Jimmie Duncan, the Death Row inmate described in the article. In this comment to my original post, she implies that I have committed State Bar violations (which I most certainly have not) and threatens to file a State Bar complaint if I continue to contact witnesses on the case — in other words, if I continue to exercise my First Amendment rights. Excerpt from her comment:
As a lawyer you should no that you have no business talking to witnesses when you are not a party to this case. Cease immediately or I will file an ethics complaint with your state bar.
I told her : “I don’t intend to cease exercising my First Amendment right to speak about matters of legitimate public concern because some lawyer who is mis[re]presenting the content of my post threatens a bogus complaint to my State Bar.” I asked her to tell me what rule I had supposedly violated and she suddenly decided she had better things to do. After publicly implying that I had committed an ethical violation, she said : “I’m not discussing this publicly.” I demanded that she identify a specific rule I violated, or retract her comment, and she said that she was too busy to address the issue any more.
Naturally, the blawgosphere didn’t take well to Kelly’s threat, bringing the Streisand Effect down upon her. To her great credit, Kathy Kelly, after taking a deep breath, realized that her attack was ill-advised, and offered this response :
To Mr. Frey, Regarding my comments as Mr. Duncan’s counsel this past Sunday. Do I regret it “Yes”. Does it appear I was wrong “Yes”. My intent was not to harm your reputation but I had concerns on protecting my client’s right to a fair hearing. I acted rashly without thinking about it first.
I’m willing to admit that I was wrong on implying you committed any type of ethic violations. Being criticized on blog sites doesn’t bother me. I agree with the fact it was foolish. My only hesitation on posting anything on your blog is that it will only continue to focus attention on me and continue this instead of ending it. The focus should be on Mr. Duncan’s case not me. I will not read or post any more comments on your site.
By de-escalating matters, Kelly showed both a level of maturity and tactical sense that far too few lawyers seem to possess. I’ve seen far too many lawyers, all full of their self-importance and perceived power, trying to bully their way through the blawgosphere. What clearly permeates these misguided efforts is that fact that they don’t grasp the fact that they are powerless to stop the flow of information, and that the blawgosphere, if it so pleases, could destroy them. Usually they get a slap on the wrist initially, but the consequences become increasingly serious as they persist in their efforts to bulldoze their way through.
Granted, reading something on the internet can inflame a lawyer, who by nature feels compelled to lash out at any offense, real or perceived. Often, they lack the depth of appreciation to allow them to understand exactly what they are dealing with, since they see only a handful of written words without the benefit of context that comes from a broader understanding of the blawgosphere. But lawyers, particularly young lawyers, often let then fingertips move far faster than their brains. After all, they are lawyers; they can demand anything and get it.
Well no, they can’t. And if they make the mistake of thinking that by attacking someone in the blawgosphere they are playing on a level field, then they are not merely ignorant, but courting disaster. Kathy Kelly was roundly castigated for her threats to Frey, and had she persisted, could well have ended up one of the blawgosphere’s top goats. Instead, the kerfluffle will be forgotten and the issue will again focus on Balkos’ bad guys rather than someone who made herself appear to be twinkie.
This brings me to an email received yesterday from a fellow who says he’s David Wold, with a hotmail address. For those who may not remember, the name David Wold made blawgospheric fame with an eBay auction for his DePaul Law School diploma. More than a year later comes this request cum demand that SJ, the ABA Journal, as well as a number of other blawgs, remove posts relating to the auction. Was the auction a bold and controversial commentary on the value of a law school education, or a “malicious misrepresentation?”
My name is David Wold. It has recently been brought to my attention that roughly a year ago each of your corresponding sites has published or republished an article related to a story that I attempted to sell my law degree on Ebay for the purposes of promoting an adult site. I would like to make clear that I have never and would never attempt to sell my law degree. I did not create the referred to listing nor write the accompanying argument. This listing was created by an individual attempting to cause some kind of public embarrassment on my part by associating my adult work with my legal education. While it is true that I do run an adult projects and work in the adult industry as well as having a law degree from DePaul University, I would never link an argument about education with a ridiculous auction listing in order to promote a web project unrelated to either. Nor do I wish to devalue the very degree that helped give me the opportunities to do the work that I have done.
I have attempted to find the hosting sites that make reference to this defaming article, and would like to respectfully request that these articles/blog entries be removed from your sites. I am not seeking an apology, and, frankly, would prefer the story not be revisited. Below are links to your corresponding articles. Your cooperation in attempting to correct this malicious misrepresentation would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
David Wold
While the waters are now perpetually muddied as to whether this David Wold or that David Wold is the real David Wold, the email creates yet a new controversy that compels airing, likely the last thing this David Wold wanted. What really puts this email on the map is the line, “I am not seeking an apology.” And why would anyone consider apologizing, or for that matter, care what you’re seeking? But the fact that the eBay auction most assuredly happened, and that the controversy swirling around it was both newsworthy and meaningful to lawyers, was the reason why it received such attention. Frankly, the name David Wold could have been replaced with any other as far as the blawgosphere was concerned. He wasn’t the point.
What this shows, yet again, is a misunderstanding of how the blawgosphere, and the internet, works. If you are really David Wold, then here’s a bit of information: If I was to delete the post now, it would continue to exist forever, cached in perpetuity. That deal is done, and there’s nothing your could say to undo it, nor anything I could do to change it.
But more importantly, your email served to do the exact opposite of what you hoped of it. No one in the blawgosphere holds any malice toward you, or bears some responsibility for whatever harm you believe you suffered. Why would you take the approach that you aren’t seeking an apology? Up to that line, I considered your request to be in good faith. Your lame attempt to suggest that the blawgosphere did you a wrong, but that you are bigger person than to expect rhetorical recompense, is precisely the sort of this that makes your effort blow up in your face.
There are lessons to be learned here. The blawgosphere can’t be bullied into submission, and if you become enough of an annoyance, you too can be twinkified. As Kathy Kelly learned, take a deep breath when you think that someone has maligned you before going off half-cocked. The blawgosphere isn’t out to get you, but it isn’t particularly forgiving if you think you are going to bully it into submission. Again, take a deep breath.
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These things are a judgement call. You and I have both deleted another person’s name from our sites because she requested it politely, even though everything we wrote was a matter of public record. In that case, as in this one, I don’t think it will make a difference.
Exactly. Although we received emails at different times, the individual (1) irrelevant to the point of the story, (2) turned out to have no culpability whatsoever, (3) provided a solid explanation for why she requested that her name be removed (even though it likely won’t help) and, most importantly, (4) politely sought our help in cleansing her name from the story.
This last factor is the most critical one. We’re not your enemy. We did nothing to harm or defame anyone. Do not try to bully us or suggest that the blawgosphere is responsible for having wronged you. When someone challenges the blawgosphere (even implicitly), they should expect the blawgosphere to react poorly.
If I was to delete the post now, it would continue to exist forever, cached in perpetuity.
Yes, but if you instead edited the post by removing the content and substituting something else (like “deleted”) then the post would update anyplace it was also cached and relevant content would ultimately disappear. By contrast, if you simply deleted it, it would be impossible to update the cache.
Also, I don’t think he was trying to bully you at all. He made a polite request after someone played a hoax on him and would like to clean up his Google reputation (assuming the email is on the level). Nothing wrong with that.
But that’s neither what he asked nor a solution to his problem. I’m one of many who wrote about it, and none have complied with his request/demand. As long as one blawg or website refused to remove (or take your suggestion and edit), the exercise would be moot and his google reputation would remain unchanged. Then, of course, there’s the question of the legitimacy of the request at all, since we have no clue who sent the email or whether it’s true in any respect. But more importantly, while I agree that he wasn’t trying to bully, he did make the mistake of suggesting that we were at fault, and hence he deserved an apology. One doesn’t go hat in hand, with the hand clenched in a fist.
Dude, I’m a simple computer geek from the midwest, and I sometimes miss the finer subtleties of language. Just to make sure I understand, your evidence that he thinks he deserves an apology is the part where he writes, “I am not seeking an apology.” Have I got that right? He sure slipped that one past me.
Google reputation matters only for the first page, or for diehards the second. Yours is a big, fat blog, certainly on the first page for this character, who should try to rehabilitate himself by starting his own blog, or something anyway. It’s still a long road from jerk whose name is all over the blawgosphere to having a neutral to favorable profile.
So if you believe him, give him a break.
On the other hand, recently a lawyer (and “Computer Engineer”) made a stupid and ill-informed comment on my small, thin blog, wrong on the law, and wrong on the subject matter of the case I wrote about, and most importantly, rude. He assumed that I wasn’t a lawyer, and BS’ed as bad lawyers do when they think they’re in a position to talk down to laypeople, “if you knew anything about…”
So I went and optimized the post for search engines, including his name, and my response (a cutting one, though not one so cutting as Eric Turkewitz would have written it does include the word “ass”), to the point that it will, hopefully, follow his name forever.
If you really think this man is innocent, you should spare him no matter how stupid his reply (I’d have begged, not told you that in my magnanimity I wasn’t demanding an apology). Because it’s the right thing to do, and in the end the name on the blog is yours.
Of course if you don’t believe him, let him hang.
See Patrick below. He got it.
Shocking at it may be, some of the other blawgs involved are even bigger than SJ, and are definitely first pagers, so I’m merely the dawg in this deal.
But you’ve hit on the interesting aside. No, I don’t believe the email. This eBay auction, and all the publicity that went along with it, happened in January, 2008, more than a year ago. If he was so broken up, why did it take more than a year for him to do something? How would some enemy of his get his hands on this guy’s DePaul diploma in order to take the photographs of it that were displayed on eBay? And frankly, if someone was trying to humiliate him, this was not the way as it wasn’t at all humiliating, just controversial and, frankly, interesting. I didn’t think there was anything even remotedly “humiliating” about the matter.
No, I don’t buy it. If anything, it smells like now, a year plus later, it’s not fitting in with his plans and he wants to undo the controversial choice he made last year, and sanitize the web from his earlier choice. So no, I’m neither sympathetic nor inclined to help this guy undo history. It happened and it’s going to stay that way.
And finally, for Windy’s sake above, the “magnanimous” inclusion of the fact that he’s not seeking an apology is, to a lawyer, a meaningful set of words, even if someone else might pass over it without a second thought. So to the extent I had any feelings toward this fellow, that sealed his fate. Words mean something, and he included them for a reason. Another bad choice.