Today’s New York Times reports: New York Minorities More Likely to Be Frisked.
And Francisco Franco is still dead.
“These are not unconstitutional,” Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman, said of the stops. “We are saving lives, and we are preventing crime.”
Since when are these mutually exclusive?
Sorry, but we’ve been over this turf already. The only difference is that the total number of people subject to stop and frisk for nothing has increased from 469,000 (2007) to 490,000 (2009) to 575,000 this year, all but 53,000 being black or Latino. The good news, however, is that of the more than half a million people stopped and frisked, the cops recovered 762 guns.
We’re really getting our money’s worth out of cops this year.
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My friend was driving down the interstate w/o a seat belt on. A motorcycle Cop pulled him over, smelled weed, found an ounce, and arrested him. The Police have way too much power IMHO. I am not willing to give up Liberty for “order”. I don’t want and Police searching me on demand, and IMHO, neither did the founding fathers.
The good news, however, is that of the more than half a million people stopped and frisked, the cops recovered 762 guns.
Well, if it saves even one life . . .
The numbers are interesting, if questionable. (Figures don’t lie; liars can figure.) It looks like, regardless of the race of the guest of honor, NYPD cops don’t find anything to arrest the guy over about 94% of the time, regardless of race.
Maybe the glass is, instead of 94% empty, 6% full.
On this one, I fear that I’m inclined to go with the majority, the 94% who were stopped and frisked for no reason. This isn’t meant to diminish your concern about people walking around with guns, even if they have their NRA card at the ready.
Well at least they don’t inquire about the immigration status. For that would be unconstitutional. it’s true, all the smart people say so.
I’ve found it interesting in decrying what could happen under the AZ law, no one has used as example, what is happening in NYC. The stats from the stop and frisk program in NYC would tend to support the fears about the stop and inquire program in AZ.
Did you get the impression that this post applauded this effort?
As to the former, me, too.
As to the latter, yup, I do have concerns about people walking around with guns, come to think of it. But leaving one’s NRA card in the other pants? That’s unforgivable.
When the numbers are near 20 to 1 against, the strong need to keep guns out of the hands of those too foolish to carry their highly-valued card falls to the wayside. Besides, a lot of those gun-toters are just protecting themselves (and perhaps the valuable merchandise they carry). It would be wrong to assume otherwise.
Not that I would ever have such a problem, but if I did, I would tell those officers that I know you. It’s worth far more than a non-furtive gesture.
Not exactly sure that I see the outrage with this one. While there are interesting and credible arguments to make about seatbelt and marijuana laws being unnecessary, stopping someone for a traffic infraction is not the same as stopping someone for “acting suspiciously,” “making furtive glances while in a known high-crime area” or doing nothing at all.
Where’s Cy Vance on all this?
A very good question. Cy, you out there?
“Crime prevention may not be effected at the expense of disregarding the constitutional requirement that citizens be free of unreasonable searches and seizures.”
That’s not me, but Justice Mark Dwyer of NY Supreme, Kings Co.:
Then ADA Dwyer learned well. He’ll be an exceptional judge.
QUOTE “The good news, however, is that of the more than half a million people stopped and frisked, the cops recovered 762 guns.”
Recovered?? They recovered stolen guns, or did they confiscate any & all guns?
I just have to wonder how many were like me & just wanted protection.