There are hosts of questions, from why House Speaker Kevin McCarthy would pretend giving Fox Entertainment’s Tucker Carlson exclusive access to more than 40,000 hours of video footage was the beloved “transparency” to video showing the Qanon Shaman being accompanied through the capitol’s hallways by a phalanx of police.
Does any of this change the other video of cops being beaten, windows broken, people in Pelosi’s office or rifling through papers in the Senate chamber?
Can January 6 be “reinvented”? Will McCarthy’s own words of what he experienced be memory holed? Who would be susceptible to Carlson’s “who you gonna believe, me or your own lying eyes?” Does Carlson, whose emails reflect that he doesn’t think highly of his audience’s intelligence and never believed the election was stolen, have the persuasive clout to compel his fan base to believe that this was no insurrection, but a rowdy tour of the capitol?
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Yes.
I keep hearing this voice in my head: “…the only direct fatality of this dust-up/mostly peaceful protest was an unarmed Trump supporter…” – but I wasn’t there, so I guess I need to trust others to interpret events and present the correct narrative.
There were thousands of people with hundreds of agendas and dozens of motives from the curious; to the frustrated; to those who legitimately thought fraud was overriding the electorate and they were saving democracy; to true insurrectionists; to the just plain weird. There were good, bad and amoral people elbow to elbow.
Carlson has his own agenda and motives, but the service he’s provided is showing that there was no singular narrative, and the Jan 6 committee was dishonest in pretending as much. Does someone who put his feet on Pelosi’s desk really deserve a harsher sentence than someone who firebombed a court house? The concept was never considered, because InSuRrEcTiOnIsTs, or something.
Sober, intelligent analysis and debate is what serious issues demand. In his own clownish way, Carlson has shown the committee’s agenda-driven dishonesty. No doubt with fibers of his own agenda-driven dishonesty.
If there was sober, intelligent analysis and debate amongst the citizens who showed up at the United States Capitol before they sped in with their clown cars, they would have realized that they would have been fodder for political and media gain. Nothing more.
As SJ succinctly pointed out in his original post about Jan 6, “They chose poorly”.
The mission of the committee was to investigate the bad things that happened that day. What would be the benefit to to anyone if they discussed the fact that “good” people were there too? The people being punished broke laws not those other people that were there. Yeah buts don’t hold water.
When I hit send this comment will leave no doubt about my ignorance. But here goes …
I think the Jan 06 committee members are shamelessly dishonest. Adam is a clown (and dumber than Tucker) and Liz is a freak show. I dislike Tucker and watch him rarely but I caught wind of his opportunity to re-spin the Jan 06 events and tuned in. He demonstrated to my satisfaction that the Jan 06 committee selectively edited the security recordings to promote their self-serving narrative about REPs being the incarnated evil that broke loose on Jan 06. So what, I wondered? Both sides lie incessantly and my bias leaves me more offended by DEM corruption (especially in the aftermath of the Twitter files, although REPs seem to dabble in this too). Nothing new here. TC probably got thousands more ignorant viewers like me to tune in and Mike-the-former-crackhead-turned-sleep-and elections-guru probably sold a zillion MyPillow 2.0s.
So, TC found my weak spot. How do I know when a DEM is lying? When his/her/other lips are moving and he/she/it is is showing a video. I just don’t buy into the insurrection claim. Illegal rioting, yes. Dangerous, assuredly. Criminal behavior, no question. Stupid, absolutely. Morally and ethically inferior to DEM leaders in Congress … um, I shall stop here.
TC has occupied my TV screen for 2 hours over the past few days. He made his point but he’s just too much to handle after a stressful day at work. I’m going back to X Files re-runs.
From my personal experience, “A plague o both your houses!” is easily the most intelligent and most common reaction to the shit-show that is our federal government. But I run with a rough crowd.
Right there with you.
I’m surprised how blithely you dismiss attacks on capital police for doing their job. Are you now supportive of attacking cops for the cause?
No, not at all. As I said in my original comment, motives and agendas varied widely that day. I think it’s fair to say people who literally had doors opened for them by cops may not have thought they were in the wrong. I question why the cops were doing such things.
At the same time, people who threw bottles and barricades at the cops knew exactly what they were doing and why.
All of this buried under willful dishonesty by both sides
I don’t think that’s hard to understand, though it doesn’t fit neatly in a fundraising email.
I’m going to risk a very public face plant and bring up a phase heard often while waiting in court. “Objection, Your Honor. Assumes facts not in evidence.”
My comment concerned the person/s directing the Capitol Police and arranging the preparations – or lack of same – for a possible riot. It was directed at the political elected types who are supposed to be serving in our interests.
For what it’s worth, my unstated opinion is that the officers of the CP were either badly led or set up to fail in the face of a hoped-for confrontation that could be spun into a political win.
I hear there are hours and hours of video of Hitler playing with adorable puppies. Surely that changes the holocaust, right?
Why yes. That’s the normal logical argument.
There was no “insurrection.” 1/6 was a show. The useful idiot Trump supporters who blundered into a movie set didn’t realize that they were being used as unpaid extras. There are no good guys in this story. There are only remorseless grifters and clueless marks.
If you watched my videos last year, you saw the “combat” scenes being set up, and crews moving in to film them. You saw the directors directing, and the actors acting, and the extras being herded like the sheep that they are. If you watched the videos that were shot on the other side of the building, where they were letting people in, you saw a different set of scenes being set up and filmed.
The MSM will never tell the truth; they exist to promote a divided narrative. CNN does their part; Tucker does his. It’s all garbage.
The disturbing part for me of the release was the footage of the Shaman being escorted in the Capitol by police. While he was still trespassing at some point, this is certainly mitigating evidence. If he our his counsel was not given this evidence, there was a potential Brady violation. And even if there was not a strict Brady violation, I would have thought an ethical prosecutor or government would have turned it over.
Tucker: “The terrible things that happened that day were at least partly orchestrated by institutional power, and they have been lying to you about it.”
Institutional power: “It’s outrageous that Tucker is claiming nothing terrible happened that day. Also, who gave him permission to use our tactics. Coming up after the break: why counternarratives should be illegal, plus: is your dog giving you cancer?”
this is another reason why I’m a cat person
Nobody can change what happened, but neither will any media outlet actually share with the public the entire body of video evidence. Citizens of much experience with our media and politicians will likely conclude they are all lying and distorting facts to a degree, Tucker Carlson included.
Jan 6 was wrong, but there is some truth in the old quip: In Washington there are two systems of justice. One for the rich and powerful and another for the Republicans.
Tucker’s efforts were enough to convince the babbling right wingers that love to comment on every post here that the storming of the capital building in an effort to murder elected officials was either a conspiracy or everyone was at fault, or something. I’m not sure what their rationalization is, other than they hate democrats, so I guess it wasn’t so bad after all, because not everyone was violent.
So apparently, the answer is “yes.”
Because we know all of your commentators are fair-minded and thoughtful people who don’t offer up opinions based purely on tribal loyalties, I look forward to them posting about how all of the BLM rallies that caused damage were misrepresented by biased news media since not all of the protesters did that. And everyone is at fault. For some reason.
Yes, the video did change many minds. Jacob Chansley, Enrique Tarrio and Liz Cheney are still the hottest, most virile looking dudes in America
NB: I am not a biologist
The short answer is “Sure”.
If history tells us anything, it’s that people love rewriting it to serve their own narratives. Plenty of college educated highly successful people who landed positions of great authority frame J6 as being “worse than 9/11”, it’s absolutely likely that people who are so driven by their muddy world view that they routinely watch Tucker Carlson, can be so persuaded.
For a great many years now we have not acted like a serious people, and the results are showing.
Yes. The idiots in love with everything Trump feel better. The idiots who hate everything Trump feel worse. Anyone who believed that a few dozen unarmed people on 1/6th was an insurrection were always idiots and now laughingstocks. Even calling this 1/6 like 9/11 is insulting to the dead in the latter.
You must be a genius, unlike all those idiots. Sheesh.
Anything our comrade senator Schumer shoots his mouth off demanding censoring I’ll watch. Or read. What is he threatened by?
We’re struggling what to make of this TuckerNut Case latest kerfuffle? Clearly he is delivering the goodies to his lapdog syycophant followers. (One of whom is my best friend who forced me to watch.) The posted video clip is certainly stunning, if real and not doctored somehow.
There is never going to be a “proper ” resolution to this insurrection/rowdy-boy uprising, as much as we would like one satisfactory to all parties. It’s just not gonna happen in our lifetimes. So we leave it to future historians and acadamic gravediggers to reconstruct this sad chapter of Amerikan history.
P.S., We’re still waiting to find out who really assassinated JFK? It was most certainly not Lee Harvey, the patsy of the CeeEyeAye, and possibly the EefBeeEye, if you catch my drift? We own a copy of the Warren Reort. It is absolutely unreadable and nonsensical. That is your government doing the best it knows how to do?!?