It may have surprised you. It surprised me. And I suspect it surprised President Biden to see the numbers of young progressives protesting on behalf of the Palestinians. What percentage of the polity they reflect isn’t clear, but what is clear is that they are angry and they come from Biden’s side of the voting booth.
For the grown-ups in the room, their cries range from childish to idiotic, recognizing that there can be no ceasefire given the circumstances. Despite the collateral deaths of Gazans upon which Hamas thrives, the alternative is the death of Israelis on perpetual terror raids and rockets that will never be stopped if Israel can’t stop Hamas. Biden gets it. Nancy Pelosi gets it. Even Blinken gets it, although he’s tasked with trying to thread the needle with the unduly passionate to make them not hate Biden as much as they do.
But the more Machiavellian of the outraged woke have figured out a way to leverage their embrace of terrorism to coerce Biden to capitulate to their whims, much like Matt Gaetz managed to get the House Republicans to put an election denier in the speaker’s chair.
Or as Trump or Gotti would say it, “nice presidency you got there. It would be a shame it anything happened to it.” The threat is clear and explicit. Biden either abandon’s Israel and backs the terrorists, “from the river to the sea,” or the progressive wing of the Democratic party will abandon Biden. While they may only be about ten percent of the party, they are ten percent that Biden needs to beat Trump.
There is a question of whether Biden abandoning Israel will cost him the other 90% of the Democratic Party, the liberals who aren’t slaves to ahistorical and mindless oppression memes that enable the kiddies to know who they’re supposed to hate.
There is also the question of whether adopting the position of the idiot children will cost Biden and the United States internationally. Should Biden not give Israel, the only democracy and only friend America has in the middle east, his full support by being manipulated by the idiot children upon threat of losing their votes, America cannot be a trusted ally to any country or NATO.
It’s impossible to imagine that the progressive wing will morph into Trump voters, the one person they despise more than Biden, but it is not hard to imagine that many will refuse to participate in Biden’s re-election effort and some will stay home on election day, unable to vote for either Biden or Trump. It may well be described as cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face, but these are not the brightest folks America has to offer, having been indoctrinated into a secular religion that will do anything to seize control from the majority at any cost.
Will it work? That huge mass of angry idiots makes a pretty convincing case that the Democratic party has splintered into liberals and progressives whose only overlapping interest is preventing Trump from being re-elected. Whether that’s enough to hold the coalition together this time is hard to say. Can liberals find common ground with people for whom terrorism is a justifiable weapon? Can progressives grasp that their effort to leverage a Democratic president to abandon reason for their votes will end in ruin?
Either way, the schism has turned Biden into a hostage of the radical left. Hostage taking, it seems, is all the rage these days. If it works for Hamas, why not for progressives?
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This would be the moment for an inspiring, informative and aspirational Oval Office speech that prompts the hostage-taking Dem wing to lay down it arms for the greater good. And for pigs to fly. (Wait. Do speeches matter anymore?)
Treating children like little kings and queens is coming home to roost. When you fail to accede to their wishes you’re committing treason, and the penalty is death, figurative or literal. If it weren’t for the peril it hold for the nation at large, it would be enjoyable to watch the liberal young taking on their elders. Those of us who are a certain age have seen this before, in Chicago 1968.
I think Biden’s position will soon be morphing into a more reasonable one.
Former President Obama presented his ideas at an event hosted by his foundation Friday.
“All of this is taking place against the backdrop of decades of failure to achieve a durable peace for both Israelis and Palestinians,” the former president told the forum audience. He continued, “One that is based on genuine security for Israel, a recognition of its right to exist, and a peace that is based on an end of the occupation and the creation of a viable state and self-determination for the Palestinian people.”
It seems so easy, such a sensible solution with both the Israeli’s and the Palestinian’s achieving what they have always claimed to want. Only problem I see is convincing Netanyahu to leave Gaza, then somehow moving our embassy back to Tel Aviv, which is, by the way, what this particular round of violence was about. Perhaps an international peace keeping force like we have in Kosovo may be a good idea, too.
So the hostages aren’t a problem. Hamas still firing rockets into Israel isn’t a problem. Hamas swearing to engage in terror over and over isn’t a problem. Hamas using Gazans as a human shield isn’t a problem. The Palestinian’s rejection of a two-state solution isn’t a problem. The terrorists refusal to stop until Israel is annihilated isn’t a problem. But Netanyahu is a problem?
Obama was trying to smooth over the rift in the Democratic Party by offering empty rhetoric to the useful idiots. You, sadly, are the useful idiot.
Well I’m not Jewish or Palestinian so have no horse in the race. My position is completely objective and offers a way for both to exist before other Muslim nations get involved and we have a real war in the Middle East. Palestinians would be more likely to accept a two-state solution now than in the past. Their very survival depends on it. Perhaps you care to offer a solution which would be acceptable to both?
Your position isn’t objective. It’s moronic. There’s a difference.
Self determination, but with Hamas claiming the helm, Gaza’s current wants are the destruction of the Israeli populace. When Hamas moved into a position of power Israel requested they honor Oslo and acknowledge Israel, and the Jewish peoples, right to exist, a request Hamas refuses to accede.
To bring it around full circle, that’s what the protestors in DC are, ultimately, fighting for: the right for Palestine to crush Israel, since it won’t stop once Israel grants them whatever they’re currently demanding, they’re still trying (insofar as they can) to destroy the Israelis in perpetuity.
Apparently antisemitism is where the right and left can come together in unity. Who knew.
You completely ignore all history, all known facts and even the express assertions by Hamas that they will persist in engaging in terror and care nothing about how many Palestinians die in the process. What part of this do you find hard to grasp?
It the Palestinian terrorists lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israel lays down its arms, there will be no Israel. The terrorists have made that absolutely clear, even if useful idiots like you refuse to grasp it.
“moving our embassy back to Tel Aviv, which is, by the way, what this particular round of violence was about”
Sounds like special insight. There hasn’t been anything about this from the crowd that celebrates Hamas and their war crimes. The embassy’s location wouldn’t resolve the justifications they are claiming for why targeting and slaughtering civilians is a defensible – or even wonderful – thing for their team to do.
In fact a more reasonable theory being discussed is that this roud of violence is about Hamas trying to poison any progress toward a solution like you suggest or any peace deal with the Saudis. To systematically butcher whole families as an operational objective, with the goal of creating a traditional war scenario where the Palestinians suffer and die in the usual historical fashion of traditional warfare so that their suffering can be exploited against their enemy. Troll warfare. The people whose interests are served by as much suffering and dying as possible on all sides of the conflict are somehow heroes to the intersectional Arthur Flecks of the world.
Genuine security for Israel and a viable Palestinian state has literally been the basis for peace in every proposed peace deal since 1977. It is not Israel who has rejected those terms. In fact, in the peace deal with Egypt, Israel gave back the entire Sinai peninsula to Egypt. And since the Camp David Accords, Israel has lived up to its obligations under the agreement. There has been peace between Egypt and Israel.
The “progressives” know that Biden is weak, timid, and subject to intimidation. Also, he lacks honesty and character, and to the extent he has a belief system at all, it is based on counting votes. By this point, even Biden must recognize that the usual equivocation is impossible. He’s going to have to go directly against these kids, or directly against the 80+ per cent of the population that supports Israel. He is likely down the toilet either way. Even so, his main focus at this moment is undoubtedly on who he can flip off to lose the smallest number of votes. This has always been a risk of packing antisemitic extremists into the big tent. Now it has blown up in Biden’s face. The chickens have come home to roost.
The Great Game, by Peter Hopkirk.
“The great game does not wait for the weak; it devours them.”
You can argue who is more evil for killing civilians, Hamas or Israel. It doesn’t matter.
Hamas has already won. The entire world has pretty much taken the side of the Palestinians now. And The USA is in no position to be of any real military assistance to Israel. Ukraine sucked up all the war stock. And they no longer have capacity to pile in ground troops.
Both sides need to negotiate in good faith for a two-state solution. I frankly do not see that happening.
In a conventional war, Israel will get crushed. If they use nukes, so will the Islamic world. And they will still lose, but in total. That is where we are headed.
Just look at world our grandchildren will inherit.
Don’t huff glue before commenting.
The entire world hasn’t taken the side of the Palestinians, just the progressive children. The US can certainly help Israel and Ukraine has hardly “sucked up all the war stock.” Israel offered a two-state solution and the Palestinians rejected it because they refuse to accept Israel’s existence.
But of all the incredibly stupid things you’ve pulled out of your butt, this wins the prize.
“In a conventional war, Israel will get crushed.”
Your grandchildren will inherit your genes. They’re doomed.
Are you the famous Mr. Ed? From the tv show?
No, but I state the obvious.
Israel has never offered a two state solution.
Israel offered a two-state solution, which was rejected by PLO leader Yassar Arafat. This is American, and so you’re entitled to be a blithering idiot. Just not here.
Dunning-Kruger, in action.
I’m Czech, there are people here who could not be accused of being “weißer Jude”, perhaps might be even casually anti-Semitic, certainly in US measures, but will get all teary eyed about “Akce DI” (google it). Yeah, we have our low-brow anti-Semitism here as well, our generic lefty progressive college student will surely have some debate-stoppers about Jews turning from the oppressed into fascist oppressor, but “taking side of the Palestinians”? UN did that and our Minister of Defense had a speech about it just two weeks ago. Only thing missing was ritual spitting on the floor. Her party’s preferences for the next election probably rose nicely. We have also sent military aid among the first, nothing much, but then again, Israel is quite a prolific arms manufacturer and despite your imagination, US can relatively easily supply most of the rest of what they need (JDAM, SDB II etc.). Our arms industry will be glad to help covering some gaps and after almost two years of war, it’s already in high gear and building more manufacturing plants. We might not be the rule among the world’s countries, but also not such a rare exception.
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I don’t think the radical left understands that they are doing what the Republicans can’t, push people away from the Dems. Independents and moderates may hate Trump, but they hate terrorists more. They will not abandon Israel, imperfect thought it is, and if that’s the price of voting a Democratic, they will not do it.
They really don’t appreciate that most people find their pro-Hamas, anti-Israel, position despicable. Everyone they know agrees with them, so they must be right.
I rarely agree with “progressives” but this time they are right. When you say that they are supporting Hamas, you are attacking a strawman. Nobody of any consequence is supporting Hamas. The fact that a few fringe nutjobs are celebrating a massacre is irrelevant. What matters is what the majority of progressives (and the majority of non-Republicans) are saying, which is that Hamas killing civilians is terrible, and Israel killing civilians is also terrible. Claiming that killing civilians is bad when Hamas does it but good when Israel does it is a morally bankrupt position.
I could explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you. And I’m quite certain you couldn’t understand it for yourself.
When you have no argument to support your position, there are two alternatives. Reconsider your position, or indulge in logical fallacies.
Sane people don’t need someone to explain the distinction between acts of deliberate terrorism and the defense of a nation from acts of deliberate terrorism. But then, I occasionally let crazies post comments here because I’m a very kind person.
When the Israelis engage in what appears as indiscriminate bombing, they lose the moral high ground. Bombing refugee camps in the hopes of killing a Hamas leader isn’t going to buy or retain friends. Of course Israel is defending itself and they should. However, is “Scorched Earth” the appropriate way to achieve it’s goal of destroying Hamas? Is it even possible to destroy Hamas, whatever that means? I don’t know. What I’m certain of is that this approach is very effective at creating Hamas 2.0 or what ever radical group rises from the rubble. Every father that has lost a wife or child, every child that has lost a parent or sibling will be more than willing to take up arms against Israel. The cycle of violence will continue unabated.
This is similar to the people who want to argue about why Trump really won the election. If you begin from a foundation of assumed ignorance, there’s only one place to end up.
And what does this have to do with the post, or is this just “support” my tribe’s side no matter what. Kinda funny given how PGP is as deep red MAGA as they come, and you’ve now closed the circle. See anything ironic there?
So Israel should let its people be raped, kidnapped and murdered, but then walk away because Hamas embeds itself in and under ordinary Gazans, schools, hospitals, and even refugee camps , so it can do it again until they’re destroyed Israel, rather than do everything possible to end the terrorism because it “appears” indiscriminate to some clueless shit like you? You are a stable genius,
Are you sure you understand how war works? Yeah, the firestorms of Dresden and Tokyo were horrific, the two nukes, too. Does that mean the Allies (except the USSR, different accounting) were actually the evil ones, since they shouldn’t have targeted civilians the way the Axis did?
Welcome to the realm of equivalent guilt, and there are millions of people who’d like a word with you, once you join them. It only takes one to make war, it requires two to make a durable peace. The kollege kids pushing for the support of a group which started off its most recent action with deliberate atrocities. You make war with me, I’ll only fight you. Try to kill my wife and kids, and it’s game on with yours.
There are rules when it comes to cold steel that weren’t written in Geneva. Those people don’t deserve equivalence, and they’re substituting strangers in place of their own folks. The Law is a specialty, but so is Military theory and history, so you’re out of your field here.
Yes, I’m verbose, but this is in my wheelhouse. The law, as SG has repeatedly pointed out to me, is not. Sorry, boss, back to keeping my mouth shut.
Biden is trying to be the reasonable man in the middle, which sounds noble but looks weak. it would help if a radical started a presidential campaign against him by forcing him to the right somewhat.
From the start of his presidency, Biden tried to thread the needle. I said then it wouldn’t work, because eventually it would produce an untenable conundrum. And it has. You can be liberal or progressive. You cannot be both.