They Started to Fight When the Money Got Tight…

Gideon at A Public Defender pointed out a “letter war” between a public defender named Miriam at a Accident Prone and her commenter, Tony Colleluori from That Lawyer Dude.  The exchange was ungracious, but reflects long-standing tension between public defenders and private criminal defense lawyers, younger lawyers and older lawyers, better lawyers and worse lawyers.  Gideon and I decided that we both post about it today, reflecting our respective backgrounds since Gid is a public defenders and I’m private.

Miriam, a Minneapolis PD, apparently was the recipient of the all-too-frequent smack that public defenders receive from those they try so desperately help, the defendant.   But the defendant’s hand was guided by someone who would have been her brother at arms, someone who would know better than to make a buck at her expense, by demeaning her competency to suggest to the defendant that his private skills are so much better that they are worth a fee.  To this lawyer, she writes:

Dear Private Attorney,

I know you think you know more than I do. Hell, maybe you do. I know that you think dispensing legal advice without, oh I don’t know, “reading the file” or “knowing about what the evidence is” is a good idea.

In the future, if you’re not going to do either of those things, please do not tell my already deluded client that he “should be able to get” a misdemeanor disposition from a felony. Or else, take the damn case and get what he “should be able to get” for him. Oh wait, what? You can’t/won’t/don’t have a valid legal license to do so? Then shut the f&*$ up!

Warmest Regards,
Mariam

As the later shows, Miriam is not happy. 

Tony, on the other hand, is a private criminal defense lawyer on Long Island.  He’s been around a long time and makes his living by being retained to represent criminal defendants, many of whom must make a choice between sticking with their public defender or scraping together the funds to retain him.  Tony markets himself through the internet, and just the other day stopped by here to defend lawyer marketing.  Tony responded to Miriam:


Dear Public Defender,

I am sorry that I can get a better deal for your client than you can. Maybe it is because I have been practicing law for about as long as you have been breathing. False confessions, eye-witness allegations and testilying cops don’t frighten me. I plea bargain, but I do so from a position of power, even when I am the “underdog”. I give your client a feeling of protection and ability.

Chances are I know, taught, mentored or helped elect the judge or prosecutor you are dealing with and s/he will take a chance on a client I represent because I bring a sense of reliability that you don’t enjoy. That is likely because your investment in our legal community is limited to telling your fellow lawyers what rubes we all are or rolling your eyes as we invite you to belong to our bar associations.

Oh don’t forget that while you are guaranteed a salary,I am not. Hence, you don’t work on every holiday or go in on weekends or even return calls… I do.

I give my clients my private cell number and my e-mail address. I am available to him or her 24/7. I am still in my office at 11pm on a pretty regular basis.

I did my time in Legal Aid. I appreciate the work that you do and I enjoyed it when I was doing it, but let’s face it, if I didn’t describe you, I described many PDs who get a lot of credit for dedication, but aren’t always as dedicated as they think. That is why their client is in my office begging me to take his case, and why I can’t. You can take it though, and you could win his undying loyalty and respect, but it’s not free, you have to earn it.

Warmly
Private Lawyer

There are truths in both letters, some smaller and some larger.  Both letters include some generalizations about the other that are, in particular instances, utterly false as well.  Not all PDs are young wild-eyed radicals, and not all private defense lawyers are competent, no less selfless, in their practice.  Not all PDs treat their clients like cattle, and not all private lawyers treat their clients like gold.  Some PDs knew the judges when they wore knickers, and some private lawyers have 20 years of experience practicing really badly. 

The essence of the problem here is that Miriam’s attack on the private criminal defense implicates what some private lawyers will do or say to make a buck.  In order to snare a client represented by a PD, some private lawyers feel compelled to belittle them, their quality, service and dedication.  The “why” is obvious; why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.  To the small mind, the easiest method of marketing is to improve ones own worth at the expense of someone else. 

Tony’s response is particularly interesting, as it combines both his rejoinder to Miriam’s complaint as well as its own marketing opportunity.  Tony is obviously not shy about selling himself, and will take his audience wherever he can find it.

What is unfortunate is that Tony’s response perpetuates that mistaken belief that the private bar and public defenders are in competition with one another for clients, and that the fiscal vitality of the private criminal defense bar comes at the expense of the PDs. 

We are not competitors, nor must we be competitors.  We are the opposite sides of the same coin, both serving the same goal, and our existence does not depend on belittling the purpose and goal of the other.

I chalk these harsh feelings up to the business needs of the private defense bar, that ugly little thing that has pervaded our professional lives in the effort to get clients and make a living.  Times are tough for lawyers (not to mention everyone else in the world except police officers and Democratic elected officials), and lawyers feel that marketing, the overt self-aggrandizing stuff that has replaced substantive thought across the internet and elsewhere, is their key to survival.  When a PD like Miriam gets up a head of steam on a subject that could turn a few criminal defendants’ heads away from retaining a private lawyer, a private lawyer like Tony feels compelled to jump in, grab them by the scruff of the neck and pull those potentially paying clients back.

This is one of the reasons I hate lawyer marketing (or as a commenter at Bennett’s Defending People wrote, I’m “too extreme,” when I fear that I’m not nearly extreme enough).  For the sake of a buck, it pushes lawyers to say harsh things about their brothers and sisters in the trenches when all they really want to say is, “Hire me! Hire ME!”  And some will argue to me that this isn’t undignified but necessary, as if dignity and necessity were opposites.

Miriam’s complaint is not only valid, but well known to be one of the grave improprieties perpetrated by some in the private criminal defense bar.  They make pseudo-promises to potential clients of great results without basis,either factual or legal, in order to get their business.  They lie.  They deceive.  They sell.  And we are all painfully aware that it happens,

Tony’s reaction is surprising, as he needn’t be so sensitive to Miriam’s complaint lest it strike too close to home.  But since Tony doesn’t troll the courthouse hallways in the hopes of snagging indigent defendants aware from Legal Aid, I assume the best of intentions in his defense of the private bar.  Still, his worth as a private criminal defense lawyers does not come by head to head comparison with some generalized image of the kid public defender.   His worth comes from his own experience, skill and dedication, without resort to demeaning any other lawyer in the process.

If lawyers weren’t working so darn hard to sell themselves, and orthogonally (h/t J-dog) blunting any critical assertions against their own breed, there would be no need to squabble over such things.  Those in the private criminal defense bar either bring something to the table that makes them worth retaining to represent defendants, or they should find another area of practice.  Our experience, skills and dedication are what we offer.  Either they are worthy in themselves, or not.  They don’t become more worthy by beating up on public defenders to make themselves look better and brighter and nicer and worth many thousands of dollars. 

And if we could go back to the days before lawyers embraced the very notion of hyping ourselves to the public to make a buck, none of this in-fighting would be necessary.  This implicates two of my perpetual themes here at SJ, that the United States produces far too many lawyers than it needs, creating open competition for scarce resources, and that the day when the idea of active self-promotion became acceptable for this profession was the day our dignity died.


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10 thoughts on “They Started to Fight When the Money Got Tight…

  1. Greybear

    I have to agree with the Texas Tornado on this one. The issue isn’t trashing PD’s as a marketing tool. It’s a simple fact that a private attorney *should* be able to devote more time to the case than I can.(We both have the same number of hours available in a week–168).

    And I have no objection to a private attorney luring one of my clients away–far from it. Hell, I’ll gift wrap the file if you want. I’ve got too many now.

    What I have real, burning objection to is some asshat filling my client’s head full of moonbeams and then walking away. I already have to deal with the crap they bring in from their cell-mates, their cousin who had something similar happen and their over-protective mothers. What I DON’T need is some turkey who has no idea what he’s talking about telling them they should be able to get a deal that may be common in his county but our judges categorically refuse to consider.

    So take my clients–god bless ya. Use my sorry, overworked, grumpy ass as a selling point–I don’t mind. But if you’re going to do that, TAKE THE DAMN CASE. Otherwise, as Mariam says; “Shut the @#$#$ up.”

    x-posted to Bennett

  2. Lee

    The reasons I think we as Public Defenders have the position of credibility in this argument is that we argue not from a position of concern for ourselves, but for our clients. It is in my personal best interest for as many of my clients to hire an attorney and lessen my caseload. Unfortunately, most of the lawyers my clients can afford to hire are not as good as me. On top of that, once they’ve paid for their subpar lawyer, they will have no money left for an investigator and most of these lower echelon private guys discuss that up front when retaining clients. Worst of all, the private guys more often than not take a retainer through preliminary hearing, do a mediocre job and then dump the case back on the public defender.

    Unlike many of my colleagues in the PD, I have no problem trashing the incompetent among the private bar loudly and to whoever will listen, including clients considering retaining them. I also will tell a client if the person they are hiring is someone I respect and will usually offer to call that person and offer them my perspective on the case so they can give the client a realistic rundown of what can be done and what it may cost.

    The other difference is, most PD’s who’ve been around for a few years could easily give notice tomorrow and do exactly what the private guy is doing. I don’t think the reverse is true very often.

  3. Tony Colleluori

    I agree with Greybear. I think Lee put his finger on it. The lawyers who are looking to snake PD cases are not as good as the PD nor are they as ethical. That does not mean though that some PDs are burnt out or just not trying. I have seen far more that care a lot than those that don’t care, but there is a reason why clients seek second opinions. I actually encourage mine to do so if they seem unhappy, but I also tell them that if the person they speak to isn’t willing to take the case, he is full of it. When I speak to a PD client, if I don’t see it the way the PD does, I call him and usually I find I was given bad info from the Client or the PD sees my view and goes back to work. Sometimes I take the case.

    Public Defenders have a tough job without jerks making it worse. That said the majority of paid lawyers are not jerks and to let someone say otherwise is not about marketing, it is about making sure the truth is out there.
    TLD

    [Ed. Note: I have changed the name and removed the url for this comment.  Given recent advertures in marketing, comments here will no longer be freely available as marketing tool for those who seek to draw people to their websites, If that isn’t acceptable, don’t post comments.]

  4. SHG

    When I read Miriam’s “letter”, I took it somewhat differently, though I completely see the way you and Bennett read it as well.  I just had some difficulty seeing why any private lawyer would have reason to suggest some pie-in-the-sky outcome if not for the purpose of trying to get the case.  Would the defendant and some private criminal defense lawyer be chatting about the case at a cocktail party?  It’s possible, but didn’t strike me as likely or Miriam’s point.  Were they best friends?  If so, then why didn’t best friend lawyer represent best friend indigent defendant for love? 

    Thus, my horses as opposed to zebras view was that the defendant went to a private lawyer, who then told the defendant that he should get a plea to disorderly conduct on a murder charge.  The defendant, who can’t afford the private lawyer, goes back to his PD and complains, “why can’t you get me dis con, you incompetent buffoon.” 

    Few PDs I know are looking for more business, and few object to defendants retaining private counsel and taking one more case off their desk.  While you may not find trashing PDs to be a problem, I find trashing any lawyer for the purpose of scoring a case to be a serious problem.  It’s a problem when it’s one private lawyer trashing another.  Even when one thinks less than highly of the other lawyer (as Lee discusses below), denigration of other lawyers is not a acceptable marketing tool.

    We all have to deal with clients who tell us what their “cell-mates, their cousin who had something similar happen and their over-protective mothers” have to say, invariably unhelpful.  It’s what desperate people do, as if we’re the ones holding them back from freedom and vindication. 

    Almost every defendant I interview asks me what will happen in his case, and if already represented by another attorney, whether PD or private, what I think of the representation.  As to the former, I never predict outcomes.  I tell clients that’s why they build courtrooms.  As to the latter, if I disagree with how the case has been handled, that it would be my intention to take a different approach.  What I do not do is tell the defendant that I can produce miracles, or that the other lawyer was an idiot. 

    I’ve often thought over the years that if I would make promises, as some other lawyers do, that I would obtain desired results for clients for the purpose of scoring a new case, I could be a very wealthy man today.  But I can’t and don’t lie to clients.  This is one of the negative lawyer marketing aspects that has long troubled me, which is why I wrote this (and other) posts. 

    If others, like Bennett and you, are more troubled by other aspects of what happened here, that’s fine and no less worthy a concern.  But I get to focus on the problem I chose to focus on here, because it’s my soap box.  On the other hand, I’m well past the point of wanting to hear the 507th rendition of why lawyers who market think marketing is wonderful.  The arguments have all been made, and I reject them.  Again, I can do this here because it’s my soap box, even if others do not share my concern about private lawyers marketing themselves at the expense of PDs.

  5. SHG

    Lee,

    I’m troubled by your trashing “the incompetent among the private bar loudly and to whoever will listen.”  If they are truly incompetent, make a complaint to the grievance committee (or whatever you have out there in California), but don’t trash them behind their back.  It’s one thing to say, when asked, that “she’s not one of my favorite lawyers” or “she wouldn’t be the lawyer I would pick,” but saying “she’s an incompetent lying hack” is another matter.

    I know that there are plenty of lawyers who do this, but it’s wrong that they do. 

  6. Lee

    I do it to their face as well as behind their back and I have reported people to the State Bar for doing incompetent work, faking a conflict so the PD was reappointed and then keeping the fee.

    We are far too collegial in this profession and it allows incompetence to stand when we don’t police our own.

  7. SHG

    Then you’ve done all one could ask of you.  We are far too collegial when it comes to tolerating incompetence, though I am as guilty as anyone else.

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