When the Supremes decided FCC v. Fox Television, the “fleeting expletives” case, much was made of the Court’s use of “F-word” and “S-word” (Turd Ferguson: I’ll take sword for $200, Alex) in the decision rather than the actual word spoken. In a speech before the 2d Circuit conference, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg spilled the beans on what really happened behind the scenes.
During her speech Friday Ginsburg reviewed the Fox case and said, “the words, I’m told, were spoken” at the 2nd Circuit argument. Then came the disclosure. Matter-of-factly she added, “the lawyers were alerted that some of the justices might find that unseemly, so only the letters ‘f’ and ‘s’ were used in our court.”
So the shift was predestined to protect the sensitive ears of the justices. This brought the ridicule of two of the boldest legal scholars, Jay Wexler and Howard Wasserman. Wexler called the justices “prudes”, while Wasserman took the more substantive approach of challenging the sanitization of the courtroom:
While I’ve no doubt that somewhere in this vast land there are people who have never uttered either word, I’ve never met one. Both words are, for better or worse, rather common. I’ve taken the liberty of having both my children, at a tender age, speak the words aloud to get them over the taboo and to teach them, as Wasserman does, that they are mere words and carry no greater weight than others. But I then explain that people find the words jarring, particularly out of the mouths of children, and will think poorly of them for using such words. I explain further that the language has many other words that can be used to express their thoughts, and that these words aren’t needed to make their point clear. Curses won’t hurt them, but won’t help them either.
No matter how hard I try, I can find no flaws in the reasoning of either Wexler or Wasserman. And yet, if I was arguing the case before the 2d Circuit or the Supreme Court, I would not have used the particular words involved. In fact, there is likely no reason to use the requested euphemisms, nor even Justice Scalia’s personal choice, “golly-waddles”.
It’s true that there is something about the courtroom, even the lowliest, dirtiest, smallest trial courtroom, that evokes a sense of formality in me. Much like my compulsion to wear a suit and tie in court, even though I could get away with a sports jacket and perhaps a turtle neck, too many years of formality have made it impossible for me to suddenly treat the court like the playground. I can’t do it.
It’s not that I have specific respect for individuals I’ve known for years who later don the robes. They didn’t get any smarter, taller or better looking. They tend to be the same jerks they were before, and usually are far more offensive. But I still call them judge or your honor, even if there is the slightest hint of an edge to my voice. I can’t help it.
So I am absolutely persuaded by Wexler and Wasserman that it was both wrong, and foolish, for the court to instruct the lawyers arguing the “fleeting expletives” case to avoid using the actual words upon which the justices would render a decision. No court should demand that reality be sanitized to protect the sensibilities of its judges. If anything, the judges should be desensitized so that their delicate sensibilities don’t interfere with their ability to rationally decide the cases before them.
And yet, I still wouldn’t have said the words. And you won’t find them in this post. I trust that no one will miss the point because of the omission.
It is precisely within the “hallowed” walls of the courtroom (and the classroom, I would add) that we can and should truly deliberate and reason about how we should understand these matters, openly mentioning and discussing things that we might not (or should not) mention in society itself. The courtroom is the last place in which anything that is the subject of a legal dispute should be deemed too unseemly for full discussion and consideration, which necessarily presumes that the unmentionable must be mentioned.Both Wexler and Wasserman make a point to use the specific words in issue liberally, both to desensitize and to demonstrate that they are mere words, carrying no pain of death upon sight or hearing.
While I’ve no doubt that somewhere in this vast land there are people who have never uttered either word, I’ve never met one. Both words are, for better or worse, rather common. I’ve taken the liberty of having both my children, at a tender age, speak the words aloud to get them over the taboo and to teach them, as Wasserman does, that they are mere words and carry no greater weight than others. But I then explain that people find the words jarring, particularly out of the mouths of children, and will think poorly of them for using such words. I explain further that the language has many other words that can be used to express their thoughts, and that these words aren’t needed to make their point clear. Curses won’t hurt them, but won’t help them either.
No matter how hard I try, I can find no flaws in the reasoning of either Wexler or Wasserman. And yet, if I was arguing the case before the 2d Circuit or the Supreme Court, I would not have used the particular words involved. In fact, there is likely no reason to use the requested euphemisms, nor even Justice Scalia’s personal choice, “golly-waddles”.
It’s true that there is something about the courtroom, even the lowliest, dirtiest, smallest trial courtroom, that evokes a sense of formality in me. Much like my compulsion to wear a suit and tie in court, even though I could get away with a sports jacket and perhaps a turtle neck, too many years of formality have made it impossible for me to suddenly treat the court like the playground. I can’t do it.
It’s not that I have specific respect for individuals I’ve known for years who later don the robes. They didn’t get any smarter, taller or better looking. They tend to be the same jerks they were before, and usually are far more offensive. But I still call them judge or your honor, even if there is the slightest hint of an edge to my voice. I can’t help it.
So I am absolutely persuaded by Wexler and Wasserman that it was both wrong, and foolish, for the court to instruct the lawyers arguing the “fleeting expletives” case to avoid using the actual words upon which the justices would render a decision. No court should demand that reality be sanitized to protect the sensibilities of its judges. If anything, the judges should be desensitized so that their delicate sensibilities don’t interfere with their ability to rationally decide the cases before them.
And yet, I still wouldn’t have said the words. And you won’t find them in this post. I trust that no one will miss the point because of the omission.
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Well, there I was, driving my then-toddler daughter to day care.
And some . . . inattentive fellow cut me off, almost causing an accident.
A word slipped from my lips, suggesting, perhaps insensitively, that the fellow was, well, overly friendly with his Mommy. Once.
And then the child in the car seat started repeating it. Overandover. Something kinda like chickenplucker. chickenpluckerchickenpluckerchickenpluckerchickenplucker.
Over and over and over again.
Yeah, that can happen, ya know. There’s nothing cuter than a toddler repeating chicken over and over.
While brief-writing when arm-twisted to quote the words from the record, I write: s___ or f___.
I can’t be the only one.
If I’m quoting testimony, I quote it exactly as written. If discussing, I avoid it as unnecessary.
Maybe I’m the only one. Though FWIW I understand my very first words on earth were “Oh dit!”
Exact same thing happened to me, except my toddler, somewhat more ominously, didn’t repeat the word other than to say, “Daddy, what does ________ mean?”
As I recall I just ignored it and changed the subject, and wound up dodging the bullet that way.
I bet your kids’ preschool teachers just loved you!
I assume that you meant this in reply to Jdog’s comment. We really need to get you to use the “reply” button.
Yet again I am impressed by the delicacy and sense of propriety of the American judiciary. Compare the crude and boorish Brits at paragraph 124 of CP v AR. Personally I prefer my namesake Adrian Mitchell’s version (“They tuck you up, your mum and dad/They read you Peter Rabbit too…”) but I doubt that would have been as apposite as the language used by the Court of Appeal.
Nope, it was in response to:
“I’ve taken the liberty of having both my children, at a tender age, speak the words aloud to get them over the taboo and to teach them, as Wasserman does, that they are mere words and carry no greater weight than others.”
See? I never would have suspected that to be the subject of your comment. And my kids never presented a problem with using inappropriate language. See, “But I then explain that people find the words jarring, particularly out of the mouths of children, and will think poorly of them for using such words.”
The preschool teachers loved my kids. Me, not so much, I suspect.
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