Some folks complained to me about my having nothing to say about the Hillary Clinton as defense lawyer fiasco propagated by the Beacon Free Press, and then seized upon by such thoughtful and credible websites as Jezebel. Quit yer bitching.
First, it’s Hillary. This is a law blog, not a political blog. No political philosophy prevails here, much to the consternation of those who believe theirs should, and the concerns of criminal defense lawyers are often at odds with partisan politics of all flavors.
Second, Hillary had a big mouth. Regardless of whether you see her assertion that her client, accused of raping a 12-year-old, was guilty as being fact or opinion, she had no business, absolutely none, discussing the question of her client’s guilt under any circumstances. It’s hard to imagine that confidences weren’t breached here, though it would be impossible as an outsider to know exactly where, but the point remains that if she had kept her mouth shut, there would be no issue. She talked. She shouldn’t. She is not the poster girl for defense discretion.
But what of the attacks of Hillary, the protector of women and children, having not only defended a man accused of a heinous crime, but going after the tween in the course of her defense? It was enough to make Fishtown Lawyer Leo Mulvihill irate.
Here’s are two highlights :
On the other hand, how massively fucked is it that our legal system expects and encourages attorneys to treat rape victims like this? And that even Hillary Clinton didn’t have the balls to set her career goals aside for a moment and stand up to what she must have known was bullshit, even in the midst of a time in her career she claims was devoted to serving children and families?
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Hillary Clinton didn’t ‘laugh at a rape victim’ as the coverage errantly insists, but she definitely was the sort of lawyer who would attack the credibility of a rape victim in pursuit of legal victory.
You’re right, Erin. It couldn’t possibly be that Hillary was doing her job as a criminal defense lawyer and had an ethical obligation to defend her client however she could—it was that she had “career goals.” She should have “had the balls” to roll over and sell her client up the river, in derogation of her ethical duties to her client, because she’s the sort of lawyer who DARES to attack the credibility of a complaining witness.
But Erin Gloria Ryan, the Jezebel writer, recognizes that criminal defense lawyers have a job to do. She just thinks there are lines that shouldn’t be crossed.
Providing legal defense to clients is what defense attorneys do. That is their job. But just because Clinton was being particularly aggressive in doing her job doesn’t mean that her job didn’t end up leaving a woman traumatized for decades. And it doesn’t mean that the par-for-the-course legal defense for rapists often involves throwing victims’ character under the bus, personal consequences be damned. Even self-proclaimed champion for women and girls Hillary Rodham couldn’t separate herself from the bullshit.
Fight hard. Just don’t let the fight to defend a rapist traumatize a victim. Is that too much to ask? Where is her humanity? Where are her values? What about the consequences of being “particularly aggressive”? If anyone should understand, isn’t it Hillary?
Allegations are raised that in supporting papers to a motion to have the complaining witness psychologically examined, Clinton lied. The basis is a second interview with the complainant at the Daily Beast, who denied that she was “emotionally unstable.” Hillary alleged, “upon information,” that she may be, and had made false allegations in the past. The complaining witness denied it. Pretty common stuff, and beyond being put to the test nearly 40 years later.
It’s not that this story didn’t offer opportunity to make the point, yet again, about what criminal defense lawyers do, or why they do it and why that’s a good thing for society. It’s not that this story didn’t provide good reason to highlight how even those partisans who appreciate our function under other circumstances, say murderers or terrorists, can’t mange to accept the same rationale when their gender politics are involved.
Some have tried to twist this, just enough, to argue it reflects not just the legitimate purposes for criminal defense to exist, but a character flaw in knowing the defendant is guilty, yet still choosing to traumatize a child rape victim. Yes, they know that defense lawyers are duty bound to zealously represent their clients, but it’s only “within the bounds of the law.” Why not within the bounds of their political sensibilities as well? Would it have killed Hillary to put the victim ahead of her client?
This, in various permutations, reflects the grievous misapprehension of some criminal defense lawyers, who either believe they’re entitled to substitute their personal view of “justice” for their duty to their client, or their entitlement to temper their duty when it conflicts with their personal sacred cow issues. Hillary Clinton proved to be a better criminal defense lawyer than these lawyers, which ought to cause them no small degree of shame.
So why, then, given all the issues raised, given all the lessons to be had, did I not rush to defend Hillary Clinton from the onslaught of misguided, stupid, wrongful criticism?
Because she talked too much. She should have kept her yap shut, and never uttered a word about her client being guilty or about the details of the defense. But she talked, and by doing so, did something no criminal defense lawyer should do. That’s why.
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Sincere question: isn’t a defense atty allowed to say that the former client is guilty if s/he has plead guilty? In this kind of case, where there is a guilty plea, doesn’t the public admission of guilty strip the fact of guilt from any confidentiality it might otherwise have? If not, why not?
Yes and no. The fact of having pleaded guilty to a specific crime is one thing. “Yes, Mr. Smith pleaded guilty to the crime of X in the third degree.” Anything else is owned by the client, not the lawyer, and it’s never the lawyer’s story to tell beyond what happened in open court. If it’s being told to serve the client’s interest, that’s one thing. If it’s for the benefit of the lawyer, then no.
I get it. Here, as far as I can tell, what Hillary implied is that the convict had successfully lied to the lie detector machine, and that goes well beyond mere guilt for the underlying rape.
If a guy is charged with murder and pleads to disorderly conduct, the only thing he pleaded guilty to is disorderly conduct, and there is no reason to discuss his disorderly conduct beyond the fact that pleaded to it, unless it’s the defendant’s position that it was a plea of convenience, and then you can deny he even did that. See what I’m saying: No part of the defendant’s story is the lawyer’s to tell for her own purposes, regardless of anything.
Would this be okay?
Hypothetical Interviewer: Do you think your former client did the rape?
H. Hillary: He pled guilty to rape.
H. interviewer: Yes, but, what do you know and/or believe?
H. Hillary: A-C confidentiality prevents me from making further comments. Next question.
A bit inartful, but yes, that’s the point.
You can be so nuanced while critiquing your guilds members esteemed one. I am not sure if is soothing or menacing.
Look on the bright side, I think Chelsea got a masters in Public Health at Columbia or Stanford instead of following in her mothers footsteps and going to law school and 2040 is right around the corner.
You ought to have slowed down enough by them to make the top 1000 list for a Supreme Court nomination.
Look on the bright side of things esteemed one. 2040 is right around the corner and I think Chelsea got a masters in Public Health at Columbia or Stanford instead of following in her mothers footsteps and going to law school.
You might have been slowed down enough by then to make the top 500 list for a Supreme Court nomination.
Have I ever told you that when you go about critiquing your own guilds members one can never tell if you are trying to be menacing or soothing.
Either way I am booking your 2043 nomination to the supreme bench at 80:1 and will keep the window open at those odds regardless of the bets till 2030.
Add a zero to all your even numbers.
I have read many who are “outraged” by Hillary’s comments, and many focus on what they perceive as her jocularity in talking about the case. Don’t know about anyone else, but me and the other folks around here who do murder and mayhem defense tend toward, for lack of a better term, gallows humor. I think it comes with the turf. You go to lunch, the war stories start flowing, laughter ensues, and then you look around at the other tables and see the looks of horror on other people’s faces.
RTK,
Her comments were made to Esquire Magazine, not members of the bar. Our gallows humor is as much emotional self-defense as it is anything else, but we usually know with whom we can safely share it. Unfortunately, Hillary didn’t. She decided to run for office. Now, in the words of Ricci Ricardo, she has “some splanin’ to do.”
Gallows humor is usually for insiders only. You need to appreciate what we do to understand the humor.
The last recourse of all profoundly unfunny people.
Oh, hai.
Huh?
I meant that claiming the humor is just not something outsiders can understand is the last refuge of the profoundly unfunny. Just giving you the business. 😉
Sarcasm isn’t always clear. That we may be profoundly unfunny, however, has nothing to do with gallows humor. We’re just profoundly unfunny. 😉
And if I were being honest, I’d confess that *sarcasm* is truly the last recourse of the profoundly unfunny, but who comes on the internet for honesty or self-reflection?!?