Under normal circumstances, cases have witnesses and witnesses need to be interviewed. After all, if you don’t speak with the witnesses, you won’t know what they have to say, or whether they are good for you or bad for you. And regardless of which way they go, you want their testimony locked in so that you can prepare for it.
Sounds simple, but two Baltimore lawyers were forced to take the witness stand to defend their methods after being accused of trying to obstruct, intimidate or manipulate witnesses, according to the Baltimore Sun.
Yesterday, a judge ruled that a jury can hear testimony from a prosecution witness who said defense attorney Leslie Stein urged him to change his story, telling him that “people don’t last long when they snitch.”
Baltimore Circuit Judge Timothy Doory said he didn’t necessarily believe the witness, Christopher Meadows, over the 35-year veteran attorney, who denied the allegations. But the judge thought “there was enough there” that the jury in the murder trial of Stein’s client, Bryant Williams, 24, should be allowed to decide who’s telling the truth.
One of the problems, among many, is that the witness is often a team player, but playing for the other team. When the defense tries to speak with the witness, they resist. It often requires a little persuasion to convince the witness that he’s not being disloyal to talk to the other side. It’s not unusual for the witness to have been told that he is under orders not to speak with the defense.
But there’s a good chance the a witness, who has already dealt with the police and prosecution, has picked his side and now wants to be a contributing player. It’s no longer a question of whether the witness will speak with the defense, but what the witness will do within 37 seconds after the interview is over.
As happened to Leslie Stein in Baltimore, the witness can make allegations of witness tampering and intimidation, accusing the lawyer of trying to suborn perjury. This can turn into a he said-she said scenario, and guess which side the prosecution will take. The judge, caught between a rock and a hard place, will usually feel constrained to treat the witness’ claims seriously, and the lawyer will find himself in the last place he wants to be.
The means to avoid this situation are readily available, provided the defense has the funding necessary to use them. There are two simple steps required: First, the defense lawyer should never go out to see witnesses alone, but always in the company of an investigator who will serve as a witness to what transpired. Second, all communications with witnesses should be surreptitiously recorded, from telephone calls to face-to-face interviews.
Not only will these two steps provide evidence to be used should the witness change his statement when he’s on the stand for impeachment, but it will provide hard evidence to show that there was no improper conduct on the defense’s part in its investigation of the witness.
Easy though this may appear, it has problems for the private practitioner. While public defenders often have their own investigators available, and well-funded defendants can afford to retain the services of competent investigators, there are a wide swathe of cases where there’s just not enough money to pay for the panoply of ancillary services that are really needed to provide an effective (and safe) defense.
There’s no easy answer for this problem. Investigators have children who like to eat too, and they expect to be paid for their services. When lawyers hit the streets on their own, they can still try to record their own interviews, provided they have the equipment that is needed, but they still won’t have a witness to testify as to what transpired. So, they’re back on the stand themselves, perhaps with better support than they would have without a recording.
But few lawyers have the equipment needed to do the job adequately. Also, few lawyers have the skills to handle an interview with an unwilling witness. This can be a bit dicey, and may require some very sensitive handling. If there’s a problem, the lawyer is still the focus and left wide open to criticism and potential prosecution.
The second lawyer in the Baltimore Sun story raises an entirely different problem.
In another case, prominent defense attorney Ivan Bates took the stand Tuesday in the robbery trial of Charles Robinson, 31, one of his former clients. Bates was accused of negotiating a contract in which Robinson would pay a victim $690 in exchange for not pursuing civil or criminal “remedies.”
Buying off the victim is one of the riskiest, and most ethically problematic things a lawyer can do. To the defendant, it seems like such a natural way out of his problems. To the victim, it often seems like the perfect solution, or the most heinously cynical attempt to buy the defendant’s way out of prison. To the lawyer, it is essentially impossible to “resolve” any potential civil claims stemming from a crime without it appearing (and, in fact, being) an effort to buy testimony or lack of cooperation.
Whether the attempt to “settle” starts with the defendant or the victim, who may well reach out to claim damages and offer, in exchange for money, to “drop” the case, I’ve never found a way to accomplish this that doesn’t trample ethical proscriptions.
Bates explained his reasoning to the Sun:
In an interview yesterday, Bates denied any wrongdoing. “That contract had nothing to do with Charles Robinson,” he said. He asserted it was to prevent a civil action.
“I told the victim he would still have to come to court and he would have to tell the truth,” Bates said. “Honest to God that’s what I said.”
This just doesn’t pass the smell test for me. Not even close. For those who might be inclined to give it a go, be prepared to take your lumps regardless of whether you’re successful in negotiating a deal or not. When the victim calls the prosecutor to say he’s “dropping the case,” something that is not necessarily within his power to begin with, the prosecutor or arresting officer may well demand an explanation upon pain of the prosecution turning its attention on the victim for some amorphous wrongdoing. The victim is going to spill his guts immediately, and then the focus shifts to the lawyer.
Buying peace is a prescription for disaster. No matter how sensitively it’s phrased, or how sincere the motive, or how many “Honest to God’s” the lawyer tosses into his testimony, the story emits an unpleasant odor. Be prepared to take your lumps.
Update: This is belated update (8/13/09), but one that needs to be done. Ivan Bates has filed a $13 million libel suit against the Baltimore Sun for this story, claiming that the article mischaracterized what happened, and falsely suggested wrongdoing on his part. While the Baltimore Sun has pulled the online version of the article, it otherwise stands by its story and has not issued a retraction.
If the Sun story falsely characterized Bates’ conduct and testimony as unethical and improper, than I hope he nails the paper to the wall. As strongly as I feel about ethical conduct, incompetent or false reporting is no better, and a lawyer’s good name is all he has. Whether this case ever makes it to trial or achieves a public outcome has yet to be seen, but at least you should know that Ivan Bates has picked up the gauntlet.
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Why shouldn’t defendants be able to bribe witnesses? After all, the prosecution does it all the time.
Fascinating. I guess this is even harder in a state (such as Illinois) that requires all-party consent to make an audio recording of a private conversation. Only the labor-intensive solution will do.
Makes me happy I live in Minnesota, where only one party to a conversation needs to consent to the recording. I don’t know enough to comment on legal issues around the provenance of recordings, but I do know enough to observe that one can buy a good digital voice recorder for well under $100.
Oh no, that’s not the type of recording equipment I’m talking about. I’m talking the spy-type stuff, so you can sit there and record without the witness knowing. There’s some great stuff out there, and it’s available, but it’s rather specialized and not exactly the sort of things that lawyers have hanging around. A good investigator, on the other hand, might have more call for the good stuff.
SHG, I have this really cool pen that sets nicely in my top shirt pocket. Records about 45 minutes at the high-quality setting, good pickup, output jack to USB to mp3 – and it looks like a cheap pen.
In fact, I just used it to record what you said to your wife as you read this post. It’s that good.
I’ve used that pen. It’s pretty good under certain conditions, but when you go into an interview, it’s important that all conditions have been accounted for and covered, often involving redundant systems. There’s nothing worse than getting back to the office and finding out that portions were missed, or the pen failed, or it only recorded you and not the other person. This is not the time for mistakes.
I wrote a post on this very issue. [link deleted]
Basically, I was interested in the idea after having done a number of witness interviews with my employer. I am not the lead lawyer on the case, so if necessary I can testify as the prover, but it’s admittedly an uncomfortable (or at least inconvenient) position to have to be put in. To date, I haven’t.
Still, Windypundit does point a nice quirk of Illinois law. I cannot record without consent any interviews and the second that tape recorder comes out, you best believe witnesses get gun shy. Even cooperative witnesses don’t like knowing those words are going to be set in stone.
I am a Baltimore attorney, I know Ivan J. Bates personally anf this does not suprise me in the least. Bates very wrapped up in being the “attorney to the streets”, winning and worst of all himself. I do not doubt that he did this thinking he was untouchable or in the right. I also would not doubt if more came out about wrongdoings on his part. He is a “whatever it takes to win” kind of attorney – and down here that leads to all kinds of dirty and unethical practices.
Not knowing Ivan Bates at all, and therefore unable to attribute any motive to his conduct, I’ve seen a lot of lawyers in the position of being told by the complainants that if the defendant just takes care of the damages, they will let them off the hook. It’s a very tempting proposition for obvious reasons.
Assuming Bates to be an attorney whose ethics are somewhat malleable, it’s hard to imagine his passing up such an opportunity. But that’s what makes this a good lesson. He tried to buy his client’s way out, and now he’s facing the music. That’s how it’s supposed to go.
Agreed, SHG. Ivan Bates is VERY charismatic, he is an excellent public speaker and he does VERY well in court, those are his strongest points. Where he lacks is in his writing, his understanding of more complicated issues and in situations exactly like this one…where a judgement call must be made between doing what is ethical or doing what is needed to win (or resolve) a case. Previously Bates was associated with firms or attorneys that kept him headed in the right direction, but recently he ventured out on his own and now this is happening. Garcia is in a VERY unfortunate position since he has a very good reputation in Baltimore and has only been associated with Bates recently helping with Bate’s unreasonably large caseload, another issue I’m sure.
Ivan Bates has created an image for himself as a (somewhat) high profile criminal defense attorney in Baltimore. He’s known for being very flashy, very greedy and very egotistical. The kids on the streets know him, the guys downtown in Central Booking talk about how soon they’ll be back out because “I got Bates”, and I’m sure this puts him under incredible pressure to perform. Unfortunately, it looks like he is willing to do whatever it takes to not lose face with the criminals that pay his bills.
I just wonder, if the repercussions from this are any less than losing his license, will this “brush with the wrong side of the law” with only boost his street cred? Knowing Baltimore, it likely will.
Wow Baltimore Lawyer, it’s obvious from your post there’s a personal level of resentment of some sort going on here. Tell me are you a practicing attorney in Baltimore or are you unemployed. I would imagine it’s the latter. There’s a creed among colleagues in this city, no mature working attorney would post such about a colleague no matter how they really feel. You should know this. It’s called professional courtesy.
I have no horse in the underlying race, but to the extent you suggest that lawyers circle the wagons to conceal misconduct (“there’s a creed among colleagues”), you are mistaken. The colleagues you refer to are the scum of the profession. Real lawyers don’t tolerate unethical lawyers. You may well be the spokesman for the scum, but don’t claim to speak for all lawyers in Baltimore.
And be careful about attributing characteristics to others, given how you’ve chosen to post your comment anonymously. One might think ill of you, particularly given your views.
SHG stating that attorneys, colleagues should be respectful of each other doesn’t suggest that lawyers circle the wagons to conceal misconduct and tolerate unethical lawyers. No one is attributing characteristics to others??? Whose the spokesperson for scum?
Either you’re comment was particularly unclear or you might want to reread it. If you didn’t mean what you said, then you might be more circumspect, particularly when you’re doing what you’re acusing Baltimore Lawyer of doing.
If you have something positive to say about Ivan Bates, I’m sure he would appreciate it. But attacking Baltimore Lawyer for not being “respectful” of improper conduct doesn’t make you look very good. And if you did mean what you wrote, that lawyers should conceal impropriety by their colleagues, then “scum” would be a perfect choice of words.
Mr. Bates and the Baltimore Sun reached an agreed upon settlement at the end of last year. Mr. Bates is very happy with the outcome of this settlement. On February 1, 2011 The Baltimore Sun printed a retraction of the previous story on Mr. Bates as part of the agreement reached.